Seventh Generation vs Clorox Greenworks

1.) iloveanimals: Natural

1.) iloveanimals: Natural ingredients cost more than tradition/toxic/synthetic ones, plus there are a lot of companies they have to compete with who haven't changed to any green products. Making synthetic, toxic cleaners is a lot easier than making ones better for the environment. They need to think of ways to actually make them work, first of all, and find ways to continuously make them better without synthetic materials.

Clorox won't change all their products because then they will have to charge more regardless, forcing families with smaller incomes to stop buying Clorox and start buying a competitor product.

Not everybody is buying green, some don't care and others can't afford.

Plus all companies need to start somewhere, I do not even think a cleaning product can be exactly 100% all natural and organic etc. At least they are trying and putting a nice product out there. I use Green Works and SG.

2.) retroredux: I agree, the people who can should buy green products, this having other companies produce them and thus having costs go down, because then the product will be in demand.

Clorox just trying to make a profit

I agree. It seems as if Clorox is just trying to cash in on the "green trend".

If they really cared about natural, earth-friendly products not tested on animals, they'd change their ENTIRE product lines.

Not just make a "special" one and charge more.

retroerdux is on the right track.

You get what you can at your income level.

Also, most every company produces something toxic. I have a hard time believing that Bleach from Seventh Generation is non-toxic.

And "all natural" is not "non toxic", there are whole books dedicated to identification of poisonous mushrooms. Whole volumes dedicated to poisonous berries. And these are just plants, wait'll you look at animals!

I'm sorry, but every

I'm sorry, but every company has to start somewhere. I love SG, but there are several products that cost wise, a person of medium or lower income cannot afford (the laundry detergent is the worst).

We all want to be green, but GREEN companies need to try to price things according to income as well as production costs. So if a low income family wants to start being eco conscious and all they can afford is the green works line, then they should not be criticized.

Also, the argument to not buy from a company because it also produces non green products is SELF DEFEATING. Instead of putting this company down, people should be buying these products so when they do well, the company will expand their green line and make more products.

"green" clorox, Burt's Bees, and toxicity

hedgewitch3
Having worked in a larger national retail department store chain, I know folks often purchase according to their financial situation OR according to traditions within their own families...ie. Mom and Grandmom always cleaned with (product abc) so I'll continue to use (product abc). It's much easier than taking time to read labels and become educated, sadly. And I've come across a very few who bluntly said, "I'm not worried about the environment. I'm old. Let the next generation deal with it." Argh! I could have lost me job much sooner had I replied what I felt then!
While I'd like to applaud companies like Clorox for at least taking a step toward being more green, and the stores that stock those products, they are STILL producing and promoting products that are not so friendly. And stores sell both because the corporate executives are focused, more times than not, on their own bottom line and profit margin.
I feel betrayed that Burt sold out to Clorox. And I know I'm not alone. Many long-time Burt's Bee loyal customers are holding our collective breaths and waiting to see just how Clorox changes the formulas. One small natural retailer in my area has already felt the pinch of change simply in the raising of minimal orders for his shop...A small business cannot devote a large budget for just one product line and remain in business. Clorox is essentially taking supply out of the smaller shops that directly support their own communities.
Add to that the fact that, at least in my area, larger retail chains that do carry both ends of the spectrum seem to carry a much smaller ratio of green and friendly products to the toxic and not-so-friendly products. People are trusting that is it's on the shelf it must be safe. Many people are also unaware that larger corporations have "bought out" smaller companies and made changes in formulations... Seems this news might make the airwaves in one brief announcement never to be repeated again. I cannot tell you how many folks I've informed of the Burt's Bee buy-out and I only heard the news once on a local radio station, never in any of the papers.
Don't get me started on pet foods and supplies and how companies like Proctor and Gamble and Colgate have changed quality!
Until Clorox goes completely "green and friendly", I cannot support their product lines. I applaud you employees trying to make a livlihood and make positive changes and wish you the best of luck with that. I tried with my former employee and it only led to unemployment...9 months and counting!

Clorox still uses 1% of

Clorox still uses 1% of toxic ingredients in their green products and are not required by law to disclose what they are (so they don't). Also, do you really want to buy a product from a company that also produces toxic products??? They only have a green line to make more money, not for their commitment to the environment or else all of their cleaning products would be green.